No PHP for large projects? Why not?

05/06/2020 02:30:02

I've read a few posts where people have stated (not suggested, not discussed, not offered) that PHP should not be used for large projects.

Being a primarily PHP developer, I ask two questions:

  1. What defines a "large project"?
  2. Why not? What are the pitfalls of using PHP

I run a small development team and I know from experience the quality construction, organization, documentation, commenting and encapsulation are our highest priority. We are able to develop great projects using our own framework and approach but still, I don't want to invest further if I'm wasting my time.

Thoughts?

Verified Answer (95 Votes)

12/22/2008 05:21:43

I really hate it when people say flat out that PHP is a terrible language because you can write code which mixes presentation with logic, or that it lets you allow SQL injection. That's nothing at all to do with the language, that's the developer.

PHP has proved itself to be highly scalable: Wikipedia is one of the largest and most popular sites on the Internet and it runs PHP. Enough said?

There are a lot of tools/libraries out there that give you a framework to work in, making it less likely that someone will write poor, less-maintainable code: see CakePHP, Symfony, PDO, Smarty, etc etc etc.

It has received a bad rap because it's a language which has very low barriers to entry: it's free, you can get very cheap PHP hosting, the documentation is the best there is, there's plenty of tutorials online, plus it makes a lot of things very easy (eg: open a URL and get the contents of the file: file('http://www.google.com');). This means that a lot of newbies picked it up and made a lot of very dodgy sites with it, but that's going to happen with whatever language you choose as your first.

Work with a solid ORM framework (there's about 30 questions on SO about which is best), and it will treat you good.

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Answer #2 (32 Votes)

12/22/2008 04:58:13

A lot of people who say not use it are really saying don't use PHP 4. It comes down to this

you can write good code in any language

and

you can write bad code in any language

PHP can very often lend itself to becoming tangled spaghetti code libraries and make your 'application' really just a series of scripts (see Moodle for a good example of this...)

I think a lot of the 'Don't use PHP for large stuff' is coming from PHP being hacked up from it's original purpose: a templating language. Which I can understand, but there are lots of projects that prove you can do it (Drupal, mediawiki, Facebook).

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Answer #3 (18 Votes)

12/22/2008 05:00:51

Theres no reason you can't use PHP for large projects. After all, Facebook is built on PHP. There will be issues however but there are issues with any large project.

What makes PHP so pervasive is the low barrier to entry and cheap hosting. It runs as an Apache extension and you can pretty much just start coding. If you go to more enterprise platforms such as .Net or Java, they have a much higher barrier to entry but they also come with a lot of infrastructure to help you make applications that scale.

For example, the database abstraction in PHP is (imho) woeful. It's vendor specific. With MySQL, people tend to do things like:

function get_users($surname) {
  mysql_query("select * from users where surname = '$surname'");
  ...
}

which is bad for several reasons:

  • It makes poor use of the query cache;
  • It doesn't handle escaping of characters (which, of course, can be done with mysql_escape_string() but you'll be surprised how often people don't do this); and
  • It's fairly easy to code in such a way as to allow SQL injection attacks.

Personally I prefer mysqli for all the above reasons but it has it's own problems: namely that using LONGTEXT fields crashes mysql and has done since at least 2005 with still no fix (yes I and several others have raised a bug).

Compare this to Java (with which I'm more familiar) and JPA or Ibatis are vastly better ORM solutions with higher startup costs but they will help you on an enterprise scale.

So you're not prohibited from doing large projects on PHP. It's simply harder in that you have to do increasingly more work yourself to replicate what other platforms provide you.

That being said, PHP + memcached/APC + beanstalkd goes a long way.

Oh that's the other problem: PHP doesn't really support background processing or threading. You need something else for that (or standalone scripts). If you're using something else, why not use that for the Web stuff too (eg Java, Ruby, .Net, etc)?

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